Legal experts fact-check Giuliani for claiming Trump discussing testimony with Cohen is ‘perfectly normal’

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President Donald Trump’s lawyer Rudy Giuliani did not help his client’s case on Sunday during an appearance on CNN when he claimed that if Trump discussed Michael Cohen’s congressional testimony it’s “perfectly normal.”

Earlier this week, Buzzfeed published a report claiming that Trump directed Cohen to lie to Congress about his Trump Tower Moscow deal that he had been negotiating up to the 2016 Election. Cohen told Congress that Trump had ended the negotiations in January 2016.

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Instructing someone to lie to Congress is suborning perjury, an impeachable and criminal offense that carries a possible prison sentence.

Special Counsel Robert Mueller then released a rare statement calling parts of the report “inaccurate,” though it left open the question of which parts.

And just when it seemed like Trump was about to put the Buzzfeed story behind him, his lawyer mucked it all up during an interview with Jake Tapper.

“As far as I know, President Trump did not have discussions with him, certainly had no discussions with him in which he told him or counseled him to lie,” Giuliani claimed before conceding it’s possible Trump had such a discussion with his former lawyer and fixer.

“If he had any discussions with him, they’d be about the version of the events that Michael Cohen gave them,” he said.

Tapper called him out.

“You see, but you just acknowledged — but you just acknowledged that it’s possible that President Trump talked to Michael Cohen about his testimony,” Tapper said.

“Which would be perfectly normal, which the president believed was true,” Giuliani replied, sticking his foot in his mouth by giving the Buzzfeed report more veracity. “I don’t know if it happened or didn’t happen. And it might be attorney-client-privileged if it happened, where I can’t acknowledge it. But I have no knowledge that he spoke to him. But I’m telling you, I wasn’t there then.

Here’s the video via YouTube.

That certainly opens up a door Trump had prematurely celebrated as being closed. And legal experts, including Kellyanne Conway’s husband, certainly took notice, pointing out that such a discussion is definitely not “normal.”

Neal Katyal and former federal prosecutor Mimi Rocah echoed Conway’s tweets by sharing them directly without further comment. But former Government Ethics Office head Water Shaub, former federal prosecutor Renato Mariotti and former Bush ethics lawyer Richard Painter also weighed in.

Clearly, Giuliani dug the hole deeper for Trump, just as he did earlier this week when he blurted out that Trump’s campaign colluded with Russia in a desperate effort to defend his client. The revelations made by Buzzfeed are definitely not over.

The bottom line is that Trump needs a new lawyer and he most certainly needs to make sure his lawyer keeps his mouth shut. This has got to be the most incompetent legal defense in the history of the United States.

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